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Post by Pallando on Nov 29, 2003 1:43:09 GMT -5
One thing that has been bugging me is how to treat spells. Spells as such were not used, except by Valar/Maiar. Enchantments and such were used by Elves and Men, and perhaps Dwarves, but those do not fit in with the way WoS does spells - they'd be scripted abilities.
I was thinking of ignoring spells completly, and perhaps elements as well, having every monster as a chaos element, instead of the 8 elements on the spell wheel.
Thoughts?
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Post by arathorn on Nov 29, 2003 14:49:19 GMT -5
I kind of like that idea. Although innovative, the alternate spell system in WoS can get annoying (especially when all your char can do is cast spells, yet can never get high enough in a certain one against specific enemies, thus reducing you to dust when you meet that enemy you don't have a decent spell against forcing you to flee every time... <heaving inhale...>). Removing the element wheel is something I would definitely agree with. It's kind of fun the first time, but then... bleah. I'd be interested in knowing how spells can work otherwise?...
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Post by Pallando on Nov 29, 2003 15:24:25 GMT -5
Well, the other way would be to have me script their effects. While they couldn't be used in battle directly this way, we could do really super cool things with them.
Like..one 'spell' could be that we call on Eagles for help, and then they appear in battle with you, and then when you die, they fly you back to your nest and heal you.
That's really simple, but think of 'spells' as 'abilities', ones that don't directly effect battle. Then you'll start to know what I mean.
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Post by arathorn on Nov 29, 2003 15:59:15 GMT -5
hmm... so there are no longer any spells... er.. and remind me... how are 'abilities' applied/gained and raised for a given char? Can only some chars have them (sorry, been awhile since I've "WoS"ed <sigh>)
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Post by Pallando on Nov 29, 2003 16:21:10 GMT -5
If we make abilities scripted, as in not using the Spell screen, and forgetting the Element wheel, then You could be required to have any number of things.
You could use money to..I dunno. You could use HP to pay for the spell. Perhaps when you call those eagles down, you have to give them an item or 5 (food, whatever)
It would be much, much more freeform then the spell wheel and regular spells.
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Post by arathorn on Nov 29, 2003 17:26:05 GMT -5
freeform... I'd like to know the specifics of that... what you mean by freeform vs what? What is the antithesis of freeform: hard coded maybe?
Ahh.. but that may have to be explained online <g>... remem I'm getting older and my brain is getting full... <chuckle>
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Post by Pallando on Nov 29, 2003 19:39:01 GMT -5
Yes, it's freeform vs hard coded. Spells that use the spell dialouge and are part of the element wheel can only do a very few things. It is also impossible to make them cost anything other then MP, and they can only have one effect per spell.
Scripting abilities would allow me to literally do anything that the WoS engine is capable of, besides use them in battle.
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Post by arathorn on Nov 29, 2003 21:55:10 GMT -5
hmmm... so how would spells hurt/protect then? If there is no wheel, what do/could spells actually do... what kind of damage.. what kind of protection? WHY would you want this char vs another?
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Post by Pallando on Nov 30, 2003 3:24:17 GMT -5
Spells would be able to do no direct damage, as they could not be execuded in a fight. Same thing goes for protection.
As I said, there would be almost no limit to what spells could do. You could have a spell that converts HP to gold.
They would be activated by going into a scene, and then right clicking a NPC (it would look like a button or a scroll, probally) and then choosing from a list that appears.
You'd want one char vs another becasue of the spells offered. Elves would be able to rest and heal their chars very quickly, Men would be able to..I dunno. Dwarves could make new weapons given the right supplies. Hobbits, in shops, could try to 'borrow' goods.
Of course, there would be more then 1 spell. We could have 1,000,000. But I doubt we could come up witht hat meany, and I'd get brainmelt. :-)
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