forming instances
Mar 13, 2011 12:47:58 GMT -5
Post by nimrodel on Mar 13, 2011 12:47:58 GMT -5
very good suggestions Eonwe, hope things become more organized.
I, for one, am usually happy to try anything on instance nights. however the whole group forming process is such a painful ordeal and it doesn't have to be. Most of us have RL obligations and i don't mind waiting around for 15 minutes or so for someone to show up, especially if they have indicated at some relatively recent point that they would be there. However the waiting forever for a 5th or 6th to show up, with no real idea whether or not anybody else is coming is ridiculous. While an all kin run is ideal and hopefully can be accomplished most of the time, i think that if it is 8:15 or so and 5 people are ready to go, why not fill in with a friend or even PUGger if need be and get the show on the road? waiting until 9 for that last kinmate and then going is very annoying and not necessary in LOTRO from the point of view of needing it for guild run credit. all the waiting because another Valarite MIGHT show up is partially what causes people to get involved in things before the kin run. i can't count how many times i have stood around doing absolutely nothing waiting for things to get started. i now sometimes do things while waitng, but try to keep it to things i can instantly or within a minute or 2 leave, like rep stuff or deeding. But i can certainly understand why people might come on at say 6:30, see a call for something they want to do, and think "well, i should be done by then and even if i"m not, we'll probably be waiting around for a 6th to show up anyway." because then what should they do? Not go with a group for something they want, and then waste 45 minutes waiting on Valarites to show and then maybe not even go anyway? Like i said, i can see why people might get involved beforehand, because at least then they get something done.
Probably the last straw for me in this regard happened a few weeks ago. I didn't get there until right at 8:00 and missed any discussion of what we were going to do(maybe thinking about HoC?), but was pretty much ready to go. i made the 5th person, so we were one short. i thought, at first anyway, oh good, maybe we can get going quickly, but no.
By 8:15 gildor had decided he couldn't do the run that night after all, which i told everyone. galdor had said earlier in the day he probably couldn't come back because he had to take care of his daughter. melkor is out of town, eomer had been MIA for awhile at that point due to comp issues, europeans have said several times the 8:00 instance is too late for them. everyone else who normally comes was on. so i asked if we had any friends on who might want to join us. I was then informed we were trying to do an all valar run. so we waited until almost 9:00 and 5 manned GS. which was fun sure, however i'm sure there were other fun things to do that could have been more useful to most of us in the group. By 8:20 it was pretty apparent that no more Valarites were likely coming, so why not grab a PUGGer and get going. needless time wasting like this is what makes people start doing other stuff while waiting around, which just then compounds the problem.
one last thing, some of us have 65s that still like to do the quests when possible even if we don't strictly need them. and while i agree that we should take care of that ahead of time, that is hard to do when there is no decision on what we are doing until the last minute. hopefully more people can be encouraged to use the forums to help with some of these issues
I, for one, am usually happy to try anything on instance nights. however the whole group forming process is such a painful ordeal and it doesn't have to be. Most of us have RL obligations and i don't mind waiting around for 15 minutes or so for someone to show up, especially if they have indicated at some relatively recent point that they would be there. However the waiting forever for a 5th or 6th to show up, with no real idea whether or not anybody else is coming is ridiculous. While an all kin run is ideal and hopefully can be accomplished most of the time, i think that if it is 8:15 or so and 5 people are ready to go, why not fill in with a friend or even PUGger if need be and get the show on the road? waiting until 9 for that last kinmate and then going is very annoying and not necessary in LOTRO from the point of view of needing it for guild run credit. all the waiting because another Valarite MIGHT show up is partially what causes people to get involved in things before the kin run. i can't count how many times i have stood around doing absolutely nothing waiting for things to get started. i now sometimes do things while waitng, but try to keep it to things i can instantly or within a minute or 2 leave, like rep stuff or deeding. But i can certainly understand why people might come on at say 6:30, see a call for something they want to do, and think "well, i should be done by then and even if i"m not, we'll probably be waiting around for a 6th to show up anyway." because then what should they do? Not go with a group for something they want, and then waste 45 minutes waiting on Valarites to show and then maybe not even go anyway? Like i said, i can see why people might get involved beforehand, because at least then they get something done.
Probably the last straw for me in this regard happened a few weeks ago. I didn't get there until right at 8:00 and missed any discussion of what we were going to do(maybe thinking about HoC?), but was pretty much ready to go. i made the 5th person, so we were one short. i thought, at first anyway, oh good, maybe we can get going quickly, but no.
By 8:15 gildor had decided he couldn't do the run that night after all, which i told everyone. galdor had said earlier in the day he probably couldn't come back because he had to take care of his daughter. melkor is out of town, eomer had been MIA for awhile at that point due to comp issues, europeans have said several times the 8:00 instance is too late for them. everyone else who normally comes was on. so i asked if we had any friends on who might want to join us. I was then informed we were trying to do an all valar run. so we waited until almost 9:00 and 5 manned GS. which was fun sure, however i'm sure there were other fun things to do that could have been more useful to most of us in the group. By 8:20 it was pretty apparent that no more Valarites were likely coming, so why not grab a PUGGer and get going. needless time wasting like this is what makes people start doing other stuff while waiting around, which just then compounds the problem.
one last thing, some of us have 65s that still like to do the quests when possible even if we don't strictly need them. and while i agree that we should take care of that ahead of time, that is hard to do when there is no decision on what we are doing until the last minute. hopefully more people can be encouraged to use the forums to help with some of these issues